Discussions

The secret of luck

Posted Aug. 5, 2014 by NoetPoet in Open

Anonymous Icon

commented on Aug. 30, 2014
by listening

Quote

17

We usually think of luck as something which is inherently beyond our control; as something which happens to us irrespective of any effort, merit, or planning on our part. But those who say that we make our own luck may actually be onto something. The documentary "The Experiments: The Secret of Luck", hosted by Derren Brown, shows just how powerfully our expectations and attitude can influence our luck in life. In the documentary, Derren instigates a false rumour about a lucky statue of a dog in the cemetery of an English village. A few curious villagers go to visit the "lucky" dog statue to see if it brings them luck, and their positive reports fuel the rumour, which in turn encourages more villagers to pay the statue a visit for good luck. This creates a positive (in more ways than one!) feedback loop of expectation and experiences of good luck throughout the village community.

The documentary also follows particular villagers who consider themselves to be lucky or unlucky, and runs some fascinating tests which show how these people's expectations about their luck causes them to both perceive and act in ways which bring them the kind of luck they expect. For example, a man who considers himself unlucky simply does not see a 50 pound note planted in his path while walking down the street, while a woman who considers herself lucky makes more of an effort to help a couple with a flat tyre (the couple are actors) and ends up reaping a big gain for her pub business because of a contact that she makes from talking with the couple.

Overall the documentary does a brilliant job of illustrating how communal reinforcement, individual expectations, confirmation bias and openness to experiences and social interaction with others can in fact have a huge effect on how lucky we are in life. It shows how luck is very much influenced by the power of suggestion, that luck is indeed one of those things where we can 'fake it till we make it'. I highly recommend you watch the full documentary, available here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4mN33w5Ftw

  • 17 Comments  
  • Anonymous Icon

    listening Aug 30, 2014

    I should have added that I'm not even sure what I believe. I do entertain possibilities though. :-)

  • Anonymous Icon

    SufferingServant Aug 30, 2014

    Hmm. I know I wrote down the analogy somewhere, may take me some time to find it or I may have to re-create it.

    I will post it later, but I will start a new thread as not to distract from this thread - even though I think nearly everything is 'relevant' to some degree.

  • Anonymous Icon

    SufferingServant Aug 30, 2014

    Interesting concept that rocks may be conscious but really slow. I still don't see that being true, but I'm happy to entertain the concept. I will read a summary of that book, mostly because I cannot purchase it.

    Jumping to the other example, vehicles, I would say they are a product of consciousness and not necessarily conscious in and of themselves.

    By that same train of thought, rocks may be 'a product of consciousness' while not necessarily being conscious.

    Another example, paper. I don't believe paper is conscious, even though it may have been 'part of the subconscious' when it was a tree (or hemp pulp, or whatever).

    I'm not necessarily saying 'you are wrong!!' - I am just offering some food for thought to my alternative perspective.

    I will research the perspective you have mentioned though, never considered it. Thank you.

  • Anonymous Icon

    listening Aug 30, 2014

    You offer the challenge, "Do you believe rocks be conscious? Or vehicles? In other words, what do you believe is conscious? I don't believe anything not living is conscious or 'subconscious' - perhaps you could convince me."

    Oh no, I'm not capable of that. Would be far beyond my abilities. And I am not highly motivated to convince anyone of anything. Respectful sharing and comparing and discussing is more my speed. But to offer two interesting perspectives, I enjoyed reading "Biocentrism" by Robert Lanza, M.D. and Bob Berman; and I understand Hawaiian ancestral beliefs ascribe to some sort of "spirit" in the rocks (I am just offering this latter example as a jovial way of saying that we perceive only what our language and culture allow.) Just a thought, since I'm in a playful mood--what if rocks were conscious at the same "speed" they deteriorate. Thus, they'd be "thinking/communicating" so slowly, we'd be dead before we heard a whole word (this is also a jovial way of trying to point out that there is more going on in this life than we are aware of and time may have many effects we are not considering.

  • Anonymous Icon

    listening Aug 30, 2014

    My questions were half rhetorical but I appreciate sincerely your additional insights and challenges.

    You say, "I believe the fundamental concepts up there to be true. I have an analogy that makes it easier to visualize (similar to Jacob's ladder, but expanded tremendously), if you wish me to share please let me know."

    Yes, I would like for you to share your analogy similar to Jacob's ladder.

  • Anonymous Icon

    SufferingServant Aug 30, 2014

    It is rare to find people on the 'same wave length'. Feel free to email me, I imagine I would enjoy bouncing ideas off you. Brandonhtcm8 at gmail, if you desire.

    Do you believe rocks be conscious? Or vehicles? In other words, what do you believe is conscious? I don't believe anything not living is conscious or 'subconscious' - perhaps you could convince me.

  • Anonymous Icon

    SufferingServant Aug 30, 2014

    --"Are those who have not personally experienced some connection with a "larger/greater/collective consciousness" just not paying attention to that quieter signal? Are they too distracted by the concerns and events of their everyday lives and fears and anxieties and desires and dreads to notice anything that requires quieting or shifting their focus?"

    In my mind, yes. People often don't realize there is something greater than 'them' and beyond 'them' while also 'within them'. Mostly stemming from the misconception about not being their environment. This is one reason 'DMT adventures' can be so enlightening for people like that. They can actually experience something far beyond them that is also within them. This can Awaken them, or open their eyes, to the fact. It's life changing. Though, please note I have never personally had that experience - but I also do not need to. Hope this makes some sense.

    -- "Then too, there are personal beliefs that cause us to ignore evidence that contradicts our expectations (like the pessimist ignores the 50 pound note on his path). Are firmly held beliefs about the nature of reality getting in the way?--the moment I decide I know something for sure is the moment my mind begins to filter out anything that would disprove what I think I know. Thus I have reduced the probability I will learn that my firmly held belief may be slightly off or wrong altogether."

    This is partially answered above, but more than that this statement, though not perfected, I believe could help you:

    1. All truths are but partially-true. A partial-truth is not a half-truth in that it holds no lies.
    2. The only truth that isn't also a partial-truth is 'the Ultimate truth'. All partial-truths point to and lead towards the 'Ultimate Truth'.

    I believe the fundamental concepts up there to be true. I have an analogy that makes it easier to visualize (similar to Jacob's ladder, but expanded tremendously), if you wish me to share please let me know.

    I believe when you 'decide you know something is true', you may not be realizing it's still only a 'partial-truth' - it can be more true by expanding the truth, until it can't be more truth.

    One huge problem is when people conclude 'I know this is true' but it's actually a half-truth. They falsely conclude a lie within the half-truth to be true.

    Does this make sense? Please let me know if I have inadequately expressed anything.

    Looking forward to your reply. :-)

  • Anonymous Icon

    listening Aug 30, 2014

    SuSe, we were evidently on the same wave-length so to speak--what you wrote (as I was writing something that agreed) captured what I was feeling on the subject. Yes, I agree with you about this stage in childhood too.

  • Anonymous Icon

    listening Aug 30, 2014

    Thank you SuSe for your kindness and encouragement and sharing your own experiences. Yes, I include plants, too, and far more. I feel that everything/everyone/all that exists is made of consciousness. Just because we are not finely tuned enough or super-distracted in our physical bodies to be aware of it doesn't negate that consciousness is here/there/everywhere "outside" of us. :-)

  • Anonymous Icon

    SufferingServant Aug 30, 2014

    Back to your last question: People are generally limited to believe only what they logically understand. This limits them tremendously. I tend to 'feel truth' and then I'm motivated to logically understand the truth I feel. Wierd eh?

    Also, many people are so far down 'half-true' paths they are essentially 'playing a subgame' in their life - not even really playing the 'real game' because they aren't aware they are playing a subgame. I touched on this in another topic where I claimed that children logically conclude 'I am me' when they develop a theory or mind - in other words when they realize they are separate from their environment. Unfortunately they simultaneously conclude (indirectly) that "therefore I am not what is not 'me'" or 'therefore I am not my environment'. This misconception is when the subgame starts. The 'real game' can only be played when we learn we are our environment and simultaneously we are individuals within our environment.

  • Anonymous Icon

    SufferingServant Aug 30, 2014

    @listening - Thank you for that beautiful post. I hope we can expect more contributions from you! :-)

    Jung was certainly a powerfully influential fellow. I know his work isn't finished though, mostly because he misconcluded that subconscious is 'unconscious'. As far as I'm aware anyways, I haven't fully investigated his entire work, particularly the fine details. I do however feel he is 'close'. As an example, I believe 'collective subconscious' makes more sense.

    For instance plants may be considered to be part of this 'collective subconscious' as they are 'living' but don't seem conscious. I believe this 'collective subconscious' is essentially the mind of 'God'. I also believe it is self-aware - I have a story from my youth that I initially passed off as 'strange' and moved on; I had no way of logically explaining or understanding what happened. Now, I believe I can. I don't expect anyone to believe I'm being honest about the story as it seems 'unreal' - so I'm not going tell it yet.

    --"So what is in play when many seem oblivious, others feel they are intuitive, still others claim to be highly gifted with foreknowledge abilities; and everyone in-between, including those who are purportedly lucky or losers?"

    In my mind, I believe many people have trouble accepting what they cannot logically understand. Others will have 'blind faith' in knowing what they know without requiring to logically understand it. My mother for instance logically understands very, very little. But, she is highly receptive to her 'feelings'. She reacts to her feelings, and trusts her feelings, without hesitation or question. She is highly intuitive - she can 'feel' how other people are feeling. She can sense when someone is upset. She can get 'bad feelings' about someone walking down the street next to her and she has occasionally witnesses those same people do something terrible shortly after having the feelings (such as picking someone's pocket). Why is she thus way. I do not know.

    My father on the other hand is the opposite. He is very, very logical. He can logically understand very many things but his weakness is that he's limited in his capacity to understand. Essentially he is incapable of 'blind faith'.

    I have my feet in both realms - the best of both worlds without the weaknesses of either. I'm very lucky to have been blessed with my gifts.

    Next post I'll provide my opinions on the rest of your questions.

  • Anonymous Icon

    SufferingServant Aug 30, 2014

    "I'm almost certain you will add that this method works for you."

    Yes I would say it 'works' for me. But, as I mentioned in another thread, I consider myself to be an intuitive logical mind.

    I don't except for a moment to be able to say 'I will be rich' and then instantly be rich. Or have the same desire and then walk into a casino and expect to win the jackpot in a few attempts. That would be completely unrealistic.

    However, if I desired to be monetarily rich and then worked towards developing skills that would allow me to be rich, it could work over time. This would rule out limiting jobs where the 'peak' of developing my skills at that job would never allow me to be rich. As an example, a plumber, or McDonald's. You can never be 'rich' monetarily working those jobs. With those jobs you can earn money by doing work in the moment.

    A programmer, author, or SEO professional on the other hand can build 'automated systems' or 'scalable systemd' that generate their money for them. Essentially they can build something, and it can continue generating income for them while they work towards other things. I used to desire to be monetarily wealthy and this is what lead me into decoding the Google Search Algorithm.

    I ended up having skills that can easily lead to monetary wealth, but ended up finding a completely different kind of wealth all together.

    Now, I no longer desire to be monetarily wealthy. I actually can't even motivate myself to make money, which kind of sucks to be honest, I'm nearly homeless hah! I get just enough income to stay afloat, mostly selling off my possessions. It's like my mind starts to go to sleep if I even try to work on money.

    I want to teach people what I've learned, and in the process I know I'll learn even more. Anything less than helping others is boring or puts me to sleep.

  • Anonymous Icon

    listening Aug 30, 2014

    I agree with parts of all the comments here. Also, I am reminded of the experiments aimed at providing evidence of global mind. "'The project builds on experiments conducted over the past 35 years at a number of laboratories, demonstrating that human consciousness interacts with random event generators, apparently ‘causing’ them to produce non-random patterns." One link I found but perhaps there are better ones that describe the experiment here:
    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/02/911-foreknowledge-caught-on-computers.html

    Ever since Jung there have been discussions and varying perspectives on the "collective consciousness". And throughout human history individuals have been credited with prophetic abilities. So what is in play when many seem oblivious, others feel they are intuitive, still others claim to be highly gifted with foreknowledge abilities; and everyone in-between, including those who are purportedly lucky or losers?

    Are those who have not personally experienced some connection with a "larger/greater/collective consciousness" just not paying attention to that quieter signal? Are they too distracted by the concerns and events of their everyday lives and fears and anxieties and desires and dreads to notice anything that requires quieting or shifting their focus? Then too, there are personal beliefs that cause us to ignore evidence that contradicts our expectations (like the pessimist ignores the 50 pound note on his path). Are firmly held beliefs about the nature of reality getting in the way?--the moment I decide I know something for sure is the moment my mind begins to filter out anything that would disprove what I think I know. Thus I have reduced the probability I will learn that my firmly held belief may be slightly off or wrong altogether.

    It is morning where I am. Hope you are all waking to a beautiful day (whenever your patch of the earth meets the sunlight). I appreciate the opportunity to explore and share with you all.

  • Anonymous Icon

    dustproduction Aug 30, 2014

    I'm almost certain you will add that this method works for you.

  • Anonymous Icon

    SufferingServant Aug 30, 2014

    In my mind luck is where preparation + action meets opportunity.

    This probably isn't the best explanatory far - but are you familiar with 'The Law of Attraction'?

    The main idea behind this is idea manifestation. If you want something, visualize it (correctly), and tell yourself (pray) that you want it and will have it, the universe supposedly delivers it to you.

    My explanation for it is this:

    If you tell your subconscious mind you want/need something and what that something is and looks like, then your subconscious will look for opportunities to move towards realizing it.

    Example, if you really want a new job, know what kind of job you want, and visualize having it/getting it, then your subconscious is much more likely to see opportunities that lead to a job. Such as an ad online, in the newspaper, or a 'community board' at a grocery store. Your subconscious can pick those things up even if you aren't directly aware of their presence, and it can alert your conscious mind.

    However, you have to be listening to your subconscious. It communicates in many ways - mainly as 'feelings' or 'thoughts that pop into your head'.

    Of course this explanation could be expanded.. But just my guess.

  • Anonymous Icon

    dustproduction Aug 29, 2014

    Lucky streaks happen. But they are not the result of luck

    "The probability of a first bet winning was 48% and that of a follow-up winning again was 49%. After that, the streak took off. The third bet won 57% of the time. The fourth, if the third had won, won 67% of the time, the fifth, 72% of it and the sixth 75%. As for the losers, after ploughing their first bets, their success with their second slipped to 47% and thence held at 45%."

    http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21601810-lucky-streaks-happen-they-are-not-result-luck-hot-trot

  • Anonymous Icon

    dustproduction Aug 05, 2014

    I have seen this and many other things done by Brown. Interesting stuff. Hugely popular in England.

  • or Sign Up to Add a Comment

Stay in touch with IONS