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Alternative Economies, Anyone?

Posted Oct. 14, 2010 by MysticalSadhu in Open

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commented on Feb. 13, 2011
by johnwinder

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Have you contemplated even the slightest possibility that there may be an alternative to capeetalism or communism? Or heard of alternatives? What principles would you consider imperative for a viable, sustainable economy to flourish?

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    johnwinder Feb 13, 2011

    I envision an economy where money is taken out of the equation.An economy where anything is possible with no unemployment,unlimited health care,guarenteed housing and a standard of living that every American deserves.
    http://economyrevolution.blogspot.com/2010/12/new-economy.html

  • MysticalSadhu Nov 03, 2010

    How about this:

    • economic selfreliance
    • cooperatives
    • environmental balance and
    • universal spiritual values

    Contemporary capitalism is based on profit, selfishness and greed. The tragic result is that half of world population lives, suffers and dies in poverty. Thus, such is not just a Mom 'n Pop operation, it has gone far beyond what Adam Smith offered as well.

    We need a new paradigm with a new cooperative model to share the resources of the planet for the welfare all living beings. The first priority is to guarantee the five minimum necessities of life to all:

    • food
    • clothing
    • housing
    • education
    • medical care

    An honest job with fair wages is also a human right. The minimum wage must be high enough so that people can buy their necessities.

    1) Small Scale Private Enterprise
    • encourage creativity
    • individuals, families and small partnerships
    • produce only nonessential goods and services

    2) Cooperatives
    • give local people control over their economic destiny
    • called “economic democracy” http://EconomicDemocracy.shows.it/
    • workers own their enterprises
    • Industry, trade, agriculture, banking run by producer and consumer cooperatives
    • largest part of an economy

    3) Strategic Key Industries
    • too large or complex for coops
    • managed as public utilities by immediate government
    • belong to society and should never be privatized
    • key source of government and affected regional revenues, not taxes
    • natural resources are property of all, thus no privatization of natural resources, extraction or raw access as domain of locale

    These are principles, not a rigid mold to be imposed on any society. It is a holistic set of dynamic principles that can be applied appropriately by citizens and leaders to help their region or country prosper and achieve selfreliance in an ecological way.

  • MysticalSadhu Nov 03, 2010

    For any desired concept to be made manifest, the continuities sufficient to make it so must be comprehended, understood, maintained and challenged so that we may remain ever vigilant in assuring their veracity -- both the concepts and those entrusted with manifesting them -- and always be prepared for altering manifestation and operations due to changes of time, place, and person and people, thus ever preempting and preventing dogmas and exploitation of all kinds.

    Economic Democracy

    Political democracy and economic democracy are mutually inclusive. Economic democracy is based on local economic planning, cooperatively managed businesses, local governmental control of natural resources and key industries, and socially agreed upon limits on the individual accumulation of wealth. By decentralizing the economy and making sure decision-making is in the hands of local people, we can ensure the adequate availability of food, shelter, clothing, health care and education for all.

    A decentralized economy can better ensure that the ecological systems of the earth are not exploited beyond their capacity to renew themselves. Environmental stewardship is a requisite for people who are dependent upon these systems for their own survival and well-being.

    Below I'll include five principles that I'm confident are and will continue to be imperative factors for evolving a healthy society with progressively evolving people and other life.

  • Tdrulard Oct 21, 2010

    Any economic system can provide a virtual utopia for whatever it governs. As long as whatever is governs are not human beings. :)

  • MysticalSadhu Oct 16, 2010

    The capacity to earn the revenues necessary to acquire basic necessities are imperative. As such, it is not the same as "being on the dole" nor do people, of any skill level, have to work to live or live to work, simply they have affinities within which their sincerity and implicit faith to serve are given expression, an escalating possibility as we rely more on efficient and progressive processes to lighten workloads while people's revenues increase accordingly as do the collective thresholds of what basic necessities are.

    Human history the past few hundred years has demonstrated our reaching for infinity through political freedom. One of the biggest ecstasies in my life, thrilling me every morning I wake up is that I live in and am dedicated to being an American. The ideological precedent harbinging the creation of this nation is utterly excellent and launched a new threshold of subtlety for humanity around the world and beyond, to reach and exceed in time. Some people's abuse of, mismanagement of, or noncomportance with the magnanimity of such subtle ideology does not veto what the rest of us hold dearly in our hearts and express with our thoughts, words and deeds every day, though such a progressive movement must continue to evolve, and care, dynamism and resiliency must be operative to carry it forth while remaining true to great principles that apply to us all.

    Cardinal human principles must be operative to lay a foundation for any and all realms of humanity, including social, economic and political realms. Some such were expressed in the Declaration of Independence, and for the purposes of governance and willfully coming together in the Preamble of the Constitution. We can add more.

  • MysticalSadhu Oct 16, 2010

    Room for corruption, greed, and poverty, along with deceit, conceit, chauvinism -- as in occupational chauvinism, bigotry -- including institutional and ideological, and other ismistic predacious [anti]rationales. Part of what makes these happen is not just in the psychobiology of humans, it is also in the architecture of how things operate. Even with a new ideology, such considerations must be made as to minimize, if not eliminate, opportunities for corruption.

    Greed, deceit, avarice, conceit and most all other sentiments are constants in human life, though when we speak of these more egregious attributes, we're actually speaking of them running amok. In tantra, we perceive the continuity of manifesting in this Universe in progressive continuity. A seemingly inanimate object will develop a psyche unique to it as prana/chi/ki moves through it, with emphasis on "moving", as motion creates vital air, or vayu as we call it in Sanskrit and Tantra. As vayus process regularly, sentiments are born, and among the first that finds existence in the process of self-awareness is "conceit", which is in a balanced manner for the evolution of a once inanimate [seemingly] object. Conceit is simply a result of the pillar of an axis through the nucleus of an entity, as it is anchored in its own individuation, part of evolution, not a mental or moral existence. The same goes for the advent of greed. As beings evolve into human beings, there are from 50 to 52 sentiments, emotions or vr'ttis as we call them in Sanskrit and Tantra.

    Human life is particularly opportune for spiritual practices, psycho-spiritual cultivation, and one of the best uses of an economy is one that progressively utilizes machines, along with nature, to do and make things, relieving humans of beastly toil and, while providing greater conveniences to human life, also frees up human life for pursuing subtler realms of being. A "progressive" economy attends to such concerns, which would include greater expansion of mind and heart, as well as control over the cruder realms of our beings. Beastly behaviors are often necessitated by the circumstances people are involved in, and so much of what people experience are based upon assumptions and presumptions that all too often go unchallenged, internally, by most everyone complacent with the way things are. Such negligence is also one of the reasons why calamities necessitate getting one's booty in motion to rectify the unconscionable factors operative in personal a social life. Why not simply live a life of discipline motivated by love as we reach toward subtler realms of being, both individually and collectively?

    More fundamental principles I'll post consecutively for discussion unique to each one.

  • tananame Oct 15, 2010

    That's a very relevant question in these times. And yes, i think there are alternatives to capitalism and communism. There is an alternative to any system ending with an "ism" and that uses money. It's what can be called a resource-based economy. Gwing1988, you mention that we have to eliminate the possibility of greed in order to have a viable economic system. I would say that greed is a byproduct of our system, and that in order to eliminate greed, the system has to be changed radically.There is only one option that i have seen out there, it is called the Venus Project. It presents a bold, radical change in the way the world does business. It proposes a resource-based economy where money would be irrelevant and where many problems that exist in our society today would not be solved, but simply dissolved.
    I think it is the only viable alternative out there, because whether it is capitalism, socialism, or communism, there is always room for corruption, greed, and poverty because we use money. I invite you to check it out on thevenusproject.com

  • Gwing1988 Oct 15, 2010

    In my opinion there is no perfect economy because there is always human factors involved. Until humans can get over their own greed and focus on the benefiting the whole as opposed to themselves then there will always be and imbalance in the system. There are many viable economies that look good on paper but when put into actual practice they eventually fail due to todays society and their desire to consume till there is nothing left. So to answer your question I would have to say in order to make a viable economic system you would first have to eliminate the possibility of greed.

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